Not bad

1 name is all I need

Chris Gardner

But I will continue

Horatio Alger

Og Mandino

I could go on and on.

I love ya Bro and we forever disagree on these things one thing I will say without a doubt in my mind.

Anyone who sets out the hope that Government is the answer to their problems is in for a lifetime of unanswered problems.

You made one other point that was of great interest to me in your first reply, it was something along the lines of

“While Bush’s cronies made millions”

What company received more Government contracts from 1992 through 2000?

You guessed it, Haliburton, who was President? Clinton.

Point of this whole e-mail is and has been that Bush is an easy target but people refuse to look at certain facts b/c they get in the way of the argument.

Since GWB was elected, India & China have tripled their oil demand. Since the 1970’s when Hollywood was screaming no nukes, France has gone 85% Nuclear.

We could go on forever and you know what, we would both be right and we would both be wrong. In the end, until “We the people” decide that Government is not the answer, this great republic will flounder.

don’t know — yeah Chris Gardner et al may be role models — but judging the millions by the couple isn’t really fair. It’s like saying well John Washington should be in the MBL because Manny Ramirez is. It doesn’t work like that.

I don’t think we’re thinking that the government is the answer to the problems via handout — the government is the answer to the problems by way of curbing runaway corperate & banking mentality and providing quality infrastructure for ALL citizens.

Look at the nordic countries — highest taxes in the world AND highest quality of life. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.html)

And yes — Clinton is a crook too — that also isn’t the debate :-)
I’m not arguing Republican v Democrat

hugs!

just watched this on your boy … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

pretty funny stuff ..

and I was thinking about this argument that you put forth below — the Chris Gardner arguement —

I would refute that with the name “Michael Jordan”

citing 1 or 2 exceptional people has nothing to do with the masses. You might have well have said — we don’t need to do anything because if they really wanted to, and tried hard enough those people could make the NBA.

Not everyone is smart enough, has enough inner drive, have the environment, have the competition to drive them, etc … life for the average person doesn’t work like that.

ou must be mistaken, that is NOT my boy.

Oh I may just vote for him, but he is surely NOT my boy and certainly does not resemble in many ways my views.

pretty much agreed on that — except IMO the biggest elephant is the environment and that we are all super fucked if we don’t do anything about that – makes no difference what you believe in if the earth turns on you.

not sure if you read the New Yorker — but here is a very good piece on how Conservatives have used the politics of division (starting with Nixon) to rule for the past 40 years and are now floundering because their ideas haven’t progressed (with an aside for McCain as a break from the party which gives him a chance)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/26/080526fa_fact_packer?printable=true

Read it

I guess you didn’t read Fred Thompson’s reply.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121150049025115903.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Quite a good piece – and it lays out the conservative thought process quite well — one which I am in agreement with.

Unfortunately, it seems the Republican party is way out of step with conservatism – I think his lack of direct reference to the article shows his agreement with much of its factuality.

Also agreed that a president who thought this way would be a good choice.

Funny thing is that I think both sides are worried about loss of freedoms — though which ones I’m not sure?
I fear losing sexual, reproductive, amendment and personal freedoms. What is he referring to? Economic?

I think the article should have been titled “The Fall of the Republican Party” as opposed to that of Conservatism. A valid ideology is tough to topple.

we shall see — and I agree they’re all full of it. I’d go for Gore at least he’d help fix the environment – to me that’s a base level item – that if it was healthy everything on top of it would be healthier too.

And that my friend is lock step with what I think.

I say I am a conservative and I am immediately branded a Republican. I was a Republican, by self proclimation and party affiliation until 2003 when I changed my status to Conservative.

You and I differ on the envornment, and I respectfully disagree that Al Gore would be/would have been a good choice but ………………….. what can you do. As I get older I realize one very important thing, I can really really like someone with whom I totally disagree.

Greenpeace is hoping to locate the fleet in order to shoot video footage, but claims the ships have turned off their identification equipment, making them hard to find.

The more radical Sea Shepherd group said its activists will attempt to intercept the ships once the hunt is under way.

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One is talk – the other is DO!

GO PAUL WATSON GO !!!!

Secret Prisons

November 15, 2007 — Leave a comment

It is so absurd that the United States has “Secret Prisons” ~ From Guantanamo to hidden hell holes in foreign lands.  I am ashamed and embarrassed.  We need to end this.  We have become that which we hate.